My thoughts on Ron/Hermione

[ladysophiekitty]

Most of my flist ships Harry/Hermione, but there are a few of you who ship Ron/Hermione, or don't mind them.

Lately I've been thinking about it, and thinking about book!Ron/Hermione versus movie!Ron/Hermione.

I actually think I prefer movie!Ron/Hermione to book!Ron/Hermione, because there were little things in the books that prevented me from really liking them. The whole "being with other people to make the other person jealous" thing didn't bother me at all, because they were hurt and jealous and wanted to hurt the other person and make them think about what they were missing out on. I don't mind the bickering, either, because these are two kids who like each other, but don't really know how to go about it.

The two main things that bothered me were the birds, and THAT STUPID HOW TO BOOK THAT RON HAD! I mean, seriously. You couldn't figure out how to be in a relationship with Hermione without a self-help book? And Hermione didn't truly start to be in a relationship with Ron until he started taking advice from the book? That kind of makes me mad, actually.

I think THAT'S why I like them in the movies better, because they show the previous stuff without that stupid book and the birds. I loved how they showed Ron as trying to get on Hermione's good side, but not really knowing how to. The moments where Hermione was just so sad that he had left. The awkward moments, when he was like, "let's put this to a vote, shall we? I agree with Hermione!" and he had his hand up, and then slowly dropped it when she was glaring at him. Or how Harry said, "keep talking about that ball of light going through your chest, and she'll forgive you" or, I think the moment that truly stood out to me, that was like, "oh hey! Sexual tension!" was when Ron touched Hermione's face right under her scratch during the cafe scene. Moments like that, I think that I could ship them, even if my heart belongs to Harry/Hermione.

Comments

[sunny-serenity.livejournal.com]

Well then you are a bigger person than I because I don't like them in either verse even when there are 'reasons' or moments that make me go, 'oh, I see that' because in the overall way of things I can't wrap my brain around the why they would be together. Of course Ron would love/be in love with Hermione because um, lets face it who wouldn't? (She reminds me of Lily that way because all the boys were a little bit in love with her too, right?) What I can't understand is the part where Hermione would be in love with Ron. I mean I know love makes you stupid but c'mon. REALLY? You want this man that never supports you and makes everything about you really about him and how it affects him and his feelings and his damage but doesn't give a care about how this feels for you. And that's not really a healthy relationship IMO. Love is not selfish. Love is not about control. And if you think that it IS about that then you are not the person that I thought you were. I hate that she was compromised like that. I ordered the BIG CUP of Character Assassination, hello! [/sarcasm]

I... *sigh* I tried to get it, hell my besties are all OMG!MEANT2BEEEE! while we were watching DH as I kept in all my NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! THAT IS SO WRONG AND HOW CAN YOU WANT TO BE WITH SOMEONE WHO TREATS YOU LIKE SHITE ALL. THE. TIME. I've asked time and again for them to explain this for me but my heart is all HARRY. IT IS HARRY.

[ladysophiekitty.livejournal.com]

Yeah, like, I don't SHIP it other than "AWWW THAT WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF CUTE" but in the movies, I see where people come from at times. Books I'm kind of lost, because while I did see it on Ron's side, I didn't see Hermione feeling the same way until book 7, when they were holding hands and such. So I was like, Hmmm, OK, they're together. But it probably wouldn't last because they don't work out their problems, just ignore each other until circumstances force them to get back together again. THEN THE CRAPILOGUE OF DOOM HAPPENED.

I actually mused with my friend that the only way they could have lasted those 19 years was if Ron had another house where he'd go and sulk for a few months. Either that, or he always did what he did in the epilogue (that is, lying to Hermione about things that she would be against, like him hexing a muggle just to get a driver's license which 1. is stupid since that makes him a big danger on the road and 2. where's the important reason why he's hexing one? Like, I don't know. Self defense? They found out too much?

Bah, I feel like I've basically been contradicting myself this entire thread because I have so many feelings and conflicting thoughts and I can see where people come from, even if I disagree!

[sunny-serenity.livejournal.com]

Heh, I'm the total opposite. There are moments in the books, like when Ron sticks up for Hermione to Umbridge... I think (it's been years and majority of the time Fanon>canon in my brain). Then I can go 'ah, I see this' and I would be fine with it if R/Hr was developed more fully with care and natural progression but JKR went all stabby with the integrity and time jumped nearly twenty years TWENTY! Shit happens in the course of time, you know. People change and who you love at seventeen is more often than not the person you love at twenty/thirty/fourty. So if R/Hr was supposed to be end game then there needed to be more substance for me to grab on to. I often go for the friendship into love into omgsoulmateforliiiiiiiife tropes.

Because Ron would spend most of his time on the couch. No. Seriously. I marvel at the fact that they have kids. Also, irresponsible stuff like that, makes me not like Ron more. I feel so bad because while I love Ron and his friendships with people I absolutely loathe him at times. *facepalm* It's like I want to like him more but I can't because JKR makes him do STUPID THINGS AND I CANNOT LOVE STUPID PEOPLE WHO DO STUPID THINGS. She is impossible.

I know what you mean! There are too many feelings attached to all sides of this thing. It's hard to navigate anything definitive. Just... FEELINGS. I have them.

[avidbeader.livejournal.com]

And I will add yet another opinion to the Ron and Hermione dynamic. I agree that there is nothing in the books to show why Hermione would find Ron attractive, other than the shadowy possibility of her never fully getting over her insecurities and settling for him because she feels Harry is out of reach.

(Note: this is not to criticize Ron as a bad person, but in terms of intelligence, leadership, power, maturity and ability he is definitely second-best compared to Harry and those things I listed strike me as things that matter most to Hermione.)

But I also don't see what Ron would find attractive about Hermione other than proximity. He detests how much she studies until he needs to copy her notes. He is impatient over her total lack of interest in Quidditch and ignores her if she criticizes him. He makes it clear in GoF that he's all about a girl's looks and only asks Hermione as a last resort. So I personally don't buy that Ron is in love with Hermione even though we all know how awesomesauce she is.

[sunny-serenity.livejournal.com]

Yes. This. It feels like settling. I think they (collectively she and Ron) deserve better. Most of my issues lay with the Crapilogue of Fail and Convenience. I would be fine if, for a while, R/Hr happened because you don't go through what they've gone through without being completely unscathed by the experience and not cling on to the person you went through it with. I concede to that. However, in a long term sense of things I don't see R/Hr happening. I know some, consciously or not, seek out/fall into that kind of bickering relationship but for Hermione to do so? HERMIONE?! C'MON! *disagree*

They didn't do a very good job at protecting Ron in the movie!verse. I dislike him immensely in the movies (which speaks great things about The Grint cos I really like him, the actor V him, the character). I don't know if it's some sort of ideology I'm sticking to when it comes to H/Hr but yes, all those things you listed as things mattering to Hermione, Harry IS them not just HAS them, you know?

So basically he uses her. Yeah, I so want to be that person for an eternity. *eyeroll*